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I apologize for these types of posts....It just saddens me so much to see how Deviantart has changed its front page system....and if it hasn't changed...then what is going on?!

Photography has always taken blows for not being considered art form and Deviantart is allowing those blows to be justified. I'm not saying every photograph needs to be conceptual to be considered art, but come on...give us something to work with! The photographs that have been appearing lately are, technically, terrible photographs, yet may be popular for another reason *cough cough, cosplay or BOOBS* Deviantart needs to save the fine art realm of photography...are those not the photos that spark and inspire the many minds on Deviantart?  This is mainly for the portrait section of photography. Honestly, go view the photography section, then people and portraits....on the first page is there anything that inspires you? Shouldn't that be at the top of the list?  There are so many talented inspiring photographers on Deviantart that can inspire thousands....yet they are clouded by the inaccuracies of what is art on Deviantart.



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3feathers Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Professional Photographer
First off Robby, I want to tell you that your work is inspiring; creative, skillfully crafted and full of wonder. You certainly raise the bar when it comes to artistry with a camera. The easy access to digital cameras has turned anyone who can afford one into a "photographer"- most of whom can't wait to point it towards a naked body. Often their own. And that's all fine and well - I've made a career out of doing nudes and even turned my camera on myself once in awhile. I think the problem here on dA though is that there is a vast ocean of less than amateur photographers who flood the place with pictures born of their horniness rather than any artistry or creativity. It takes a lot of sifting to get down to the good stuff like yours. The category of Artistic Nudes for example is loaded to the gills with pictures of boobs, vag and dicks that should be in a category all their own without the word artistic attached. 

I don't know that there's any viable solution. dA is a for profit venue and everything bows to that reality. Those of us who are serious artists are stuck having to compete for visibility among the countless thousands of boob and genital photographers whose pictures get the most views and faves. It's obvious that the algorithms here cater to all of that whether it's dA's intention to have it that way or not. It's frustrating but I don't see that it's ever going to change as long as profit is the sole guiding factor underwriting it all. The best we can do is keep creating our work the way we feel it and hope that once in awhile it gets noticed. 

Your work is extraordinary and I hope you'll keep making it and sharing it as often as you can. I look forward to your artwork coming up in my messages and I enjoy my time in your gallery. You inspire me. 
Tom
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Sea-of-Ice Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Student Photographer
Tom, thank you for such an insightful comment. It really put me at ease and made me realize I just need to focus on me rather than what everyone else is doing here on DA.

I'm just saddened because it didn't used to be like this.

I'm glad you commented, your work is really nice :)

Robby
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3feathers Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Professional Photographer
Thanks Robby. It's an imperfect venue for sure but the upside is that I get to see your work here! :-)
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theresahelmer Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Professional Photographer
Not sure how do you feel what I post here, I am a self-taught food photographer/food stylist, from a humble hobby to I am lucky enough these days working with some of the largest companies in U.S.

is my posting art? Not sure still, but I do know I work very hard creating my food (from concept, color arrangement, food styling, taking the photo to post editing)!

i do love what you have written here - this stupid woman (sorry the wording sound unkind), she post photos of herself almost daily, sitting on the couch, standing in some random corner of her flat, her face is always the same (the stupid stare), little piece of myself die each time I see her posting appears on the front page. People, that is no art! Quit telling her she is stunning! Ugh....sooooo annoyed. Then there are those "let me spred my legs wide open" and dare to call it art! 

I know I would rather die of hunger and torture before I spread my legs for the public to see...
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resMENSA Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2014
Hmmm... Scratch the sofa or not to scratch the sofa? by ZoranPhoto

When "more-like-this" was added, I thought: Thatīs crap!
Now I ignore the front-page, because I find so much through this... :bucktooth:
The porn-problem is a global one IMO - ok, Iīm here for two years now - after the change, therefore...

I wouldnīt be able to publish anything, if "good quality" would be a criteria... especially my drawings, which I am hyper-proud of. 
(and itīs fan art on top...)
It inspires me to go on, get better, that I can show off my rubbish here.

The only solution is to outnumber the crap IMO...

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INVIV0 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
It is funny because yesterday I also read another journal from a nude photographer that he was unhappy about the algorithm of the site. He said that nude photos don't go front page (!?) but I agree with you. 
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Sea-of-Ice Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014  Student Photographer
haha really?! That is all I see! XD
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sparkbearer Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Professional Photographer
God bless you. I'm so happy we share this thought, and I'm glad to not be alone in it.
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StormAhead Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
I completely agree with you. I get on dA, look at the most popular deviations in the last hours, and what do I see? Boobs, low-quality snapshots,  some poorly drawn fanart, boobs, cosplay, boobs, hey look, boobs... ._.
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pHotOPuNK82 Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
I think da just knows it's fan base and it know's it's nerds and the anime obsessed.

The other is just a given of the interwebz of ANY site with photo's on it; at least da hasn't reached tumblr level porn status;P
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Ninjerina Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student General Artist
I've made similar posts, and from the responses below, you are clearly not alone in your concerns. It would be lovely for the world's (or so I've been lead to believe) biggest art sight had more ART, and less crap to appeal to horny 13 year olds who cant unblock their parent's porn filter. There's a multitude of lovely artists in all media throughout the sight, but even many of the Daily Deviations chose by the staff I frequently find in poor taste. This is especially upsetting as from the millions of artists, it seems it would be easy to find the best of the best, yet they tend to regurgitate furry crap to appease their crude adolescents on the site. Hopefully one day DA will get the message, or another website will step up to the plate for the sake of quality control.
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burnyouroleander Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
I couldn't agree more, though it seems the sickness runs even deeper. Such catergories as drawing and painting etc are saturated with a mass of either what I would consider "fan art" or some regurgetated form of someone elses creation which I can understand to a degree or just gratutious t and n. But it seems that photography is definitely the most heavily burdened. Honestly it's quite disheartening. I myself really gain alot from seeing others concepts and the way they can tell a story with just one image, and not to say that nudity doesn't have a place in photography but in most cases it seems they are masquerading pornography under the guise of "artistic expression".
So you are by no means alone in this thought. Don't give up hope, there are still those out there fighting the good fight.
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Tygarii-Razil Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012
I stumbled on your galley by chance of hopping through the favorites of an artist's favorites chaining, and landing on your Shaper of Dreams Photo. I love the action in it, the lighting feels right. And looking around to the other photos, you have style, ideas, stories within these pictures that take more thought than "This is what I saw in the park yesterday."

And while yes, a change would be beautiful, it's a near whimsical thought. More and more fan arts are arriving on DA as a suitable artistic gallery (Sheezyart and Furraffinity being the closest known competitors) and telling people to change what they like.. It's a hardly task that can lead to stepping on toes. "When does Porn become art?" For example. The best I've been holding tow is simply NOT clicking on those thumbnails, not giving them the page views that lead to front page. Instead I've been clicking on other, more thought provocative images, hoping THOSE get attention.

Also. DD's have gone downhill from when I first joined several years ago. I'm seeing more and more of the popular themes. Almost always there is a food sculptor, an anime, an expressionless girl, a pair of lips(Or eyes), and most aggravating of all: Repeats. Some artist have as many at 5 DD's within their gallery. If more attention was given to unknown artists, I'd feel better knowing that DA is not a popularity contest, but gasp, an art site dedicated to their artists.
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Amanda-Graham Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Professional Writer
The front page and content it draws from have seemingly pitched into an abyss. It's become so tiresome to find only one or two new works that warrant promotion on that page that I avoid it entirely; when I recommend the site through promotion I pick mine or other artists pages as entry points of introduction to new friends, new artists. The good and great and developing talents are still here, some less often, thank Jaysus or which ever Goddess it is I adore at any given moment that they are.
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XXEcutioner Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2012
Thank God! Someone who thinks exacly like I do! I remember those times when I got blown away with the art around here, page after page... it just got boring and unprofessional =( That's why I didn't care too much about DA. But these last days I've been updating, I want to give a chance to DA once more and then I found you so... Faith in mankind restored! haha =D
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AppleGrassxx Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Cosplay photos aren't bad at all, they're exalt as much art as your unoriginal stuff. Hours of sewing, shopping, hairstyling applying makeup and research go into them. Just because you have some DDR doesn't mean you are better than them or even as good
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Sea-of-Ice Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2012  Student Photographer
Cosplay is the recreation of an already existing art. It is not original. It is not new. However, cosplay is the art of execution, but nothing more. The photography that represents these cosplays are generally terrible, technically, yet still make it to the front page.

I never said I was better than anyone so don't put words in my mouth, also, did you know that I cosplay? Boom.
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TheEmptyChest Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012
For whatever it might be worth, I agree with you.
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FoolsGolde Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012  Student General Artist
Photography is definitely an art! and I completely agree with all the points you made here :)
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RancidDinosaur Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012
It is very rare for me to consider Photography an art. To me, art is simply expressing your feelings visually. When someone is taking pictures of themselves or naked (smutty) women and saying something like, "She is such a wonderful model" it's clear they made little effort in expressing themselves.
Now when you go out of your way to take a picture of something no one has seen, nor will it be seen again that is different. Things caught in the moment, mid-movement, those are what makes a photograph art.

Lately I've noticed DA killing inspiration more than making it. I've had friends quit drawing because they feel that no one likes their art thanks to the lack of favorites and watches. Those that haven't quit are resorting to drawing porn or fan art just to get attention. Not to mention that Daily Deviations are such a big deal and most of the current DD's don't even have a reason why they are selected as one. I remember when they added a bit of info as to why it was picked that made me realize, "Oh yes! This does deserve to be a DD!" Now I shake my head in disbelief as I see pile up and pile up of cosplay, fan art, and smut.

Do I go to DA to draw inspiration? Not any more. The few artist that do inspire me are either barely noticed or do porn on the side just to get out there. Why do I stay on here you ask? Because I detest Facebook and would like to keep in touch with my friends who also do art. It is our way of sharing our lives with each other. Other than that I'm not fond of DA. There are plenty of other image hosing sites that wouldn't allow half of the stuff that is posted on DA. Why? Because it isn't art, it's just people taking pictures of themselves or posting porn. I'm not saying all naked pictures are porn but when the main focus is sensitive parts, well, it's porn.
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Seykloren Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012
I agree with what you wrote and let us not lie to ourselves, when someone takes a look at your gallery and a gallery of a 13 year old (I am not bashing the age here) that just posts pictures of themselves the difference is not only huge, but it is very ugly for me to see. I am not someone big and great and popular, I dont have equipement and knowledge,so I am here for years basicly just trying to show support to great artist. I remember how dA used to be, everytime I would open it,I would be "WOW, look at this photo,the idea,the concept,its so amazing,I hope I can grow to be like this some day". Now I just see "Artistic" Nude and similar crap and it reallymakesme sick to my stomach. I dont want an erotic facebook, cosplay gallery or array or bad kitten shots, I want dA! This is also making young people do these.If they see only these are popular and appriciated,they will not look any further, they will not explore and learn.
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Sarah-BK Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I feel the same way :/ I see so many crap photos on the front page just because the girl posing in the picture has big tits or because she's bending over in a provocative way and too many pervies go to visit the photo which gives it more views and hence gets pushed up to the front page...

Or rose photos with bokeh in the back. Everyone does it, and although I love how soft roses come out in photos, I'm put off from putting any rose pictures just because they've become so mainstream.

I don't think I ever stand a chance to become a little popular now here - should have uploaded more photos before the system changed a year or so ago. Despite knowing some of my photos deserve more to be on the front page instead of those crappy cat pictures which make the front page now because they are cats, I only partially managed once. Oh, and those that are already popular and have 100000 watchers somehow always make the front page even though their work is the same thing, over and over again.
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ShutterBug97 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012  Student Photographer
Totally agree!!
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LaRoseDePetitPrince Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Student General Artist
I totally agree with you... Everyday I'm searching through new photos here for inspiration and when I see what other members thing is the best art I'm so shocked and unhappy... Actually in my opinion it's due to member changes... two years ago most of the members of devArt were really good artists with talent but nowaday majority of members are teenagers who join only because it's cool to join page like this and take photo with mobile phone...
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theOriental Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
THANK YOU. I have been looking all over deviantart for a person like you. For the last few days, I've been going on the "Random Deviant" to see what I would find. I kid you not, but every self proclaimed photographer pretty much had nothing but cosplay. I mean, I'm not completely hating on cosplay, but i find it rather aggrivating when im trying to look for real art and find a whole bunch of tweens dressed in fancy little ninja suits. People like you keep that little fire of hope still burning inside me to keep going on deviantart, looking for inpiration. YOU. ARE. MY. HERO.
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faqshun Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2012
Visual pollution in the photography world is enough to make me want to wear a dust mask over my eyes, but it is also the reality of the modern age. We can hope for elevated taste beyond the crowd pleasing kittens and cosplay photos, but that is simply the state of things. I think DA uses a natural algorithm to place popular pics for viewing, which is meant to be an computer-guided objective-sharing of what the masses like. If we ask DA to begin manipulating what is seen, then who is to say their opinions will agree with ours. Maybe their photo-selection editor likes upskirt and cosplay shots.

We can not control the actions of others or their websites or their tastes. We can control the clarity of our own work and our own perspective. You make great images, and all the crappy photos on the homepage of DA won't change that. If anything, the garbage really makes the good conceptual standout.
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Cursedgirl Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
Good conceptual photography is rare here, I agree. I'm currently taking a course in conceptual photography and it's been a real eye-opener. After getting acquainted with the art of people like Gurski, Becher, Demand, Tillmans, after seeing the art shown at the 2011 Istanbul Biennial... I can say Deviantart is deffinitely lagging behind.
Still, if you have the time to browse you can still find very talented artists! This is how I found you :))
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WyseGuy5 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Student General Artist
I totally agree with this. I have been having these same emotions, (maybe not directly with the conceptional photography) and wondering (seriously) why some people would be more popular but not technically having any "true art" in their gallery. you have worded this whole thing perfectly, hope sometime can be done about it.
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Lizachu Featured By Owner May 25, 2012  Student Photographer
I agree..
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CheesySteele Featured By Owner May 14, 2012  Student Photographer
You just read my mind. When I log on to deviant art and see the most popular stuff I see photos that don't even exemplify rule of thirds. I want to see photos that intrigue me. And have some sort of dynamic.
I would just like to say EliseEnchanted.
I'm just saying her name.
that is all DON'T HATE on me.
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Sea-of-Ice Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Student Photographer
So I've decided to write up a well written letter to DA's corporate office, about the new DA system. I'm really really hoping I can do something about it...
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manuelestheim Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I just couldn't agree more..sadly.
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Arwey Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Student Photographer
I couldn't agree more with you. I remember a time when I visited deviantart to get inspration and the first click on the frontpage brought me on the right path, because somebody posted at least something really beautiful. Now I dont even know where to start. 'Cause boobs and half-naked chicks dressed up as anime-characters is not exactly inspirational to me... :O
I'm gonna go and kill my creative vein now, it's not needed on here anymore. ;)
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Chocolatecookiecrumb Featured By Owner May 7, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I do agree with you, the old system kinda worked a lot better, right now it is pretty hard to find good quality photography, this is why I have started to increasingly browse through photography features, like this one [link] , there you still find great artwork! If you want to know more about the new frontpagesystem, here is an interesting journal about that [link] :)
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FlyHigh20 Featured By Owner May 7, 2012
yeah I know how you feel. I would love to work on conceptual photography myself but I don't have the equipment, however I am going to take some pics with my sister today that's not boobs or cosplay. And I have been taking some nature photos when I can't take model photos. I hope they're good quality.
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M0THart Featured By Owner May 7, 2012  Professional Photographer
i completely agree with you -.-'
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Sea-of-Ice Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Student Photographer
gosh, even you too? D: This is just sad!
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M0THart Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Professional Photographer
yes the quality of this site is really low right now. i'm not active here as before, i must say. and DeviantArt stopped to give me any kind of satisfaction, i'm still here only because of the past time -.-
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Sea-of-Ice Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Student Photographer
@_@ Yea....im the same way right now..I keep coming back, hoping something will change..but, as you said, the quality to super super low..
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IMustBeDead Featured By Owner May 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
How do you control a voting system of the masses? I don't know. I used to get up top on here, now I go no where.
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Sea-of-Ice Featured By Owner May 8, 2012  Student Photographer
seriously! I feel the same way...
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IMustBeDead Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
more tits and asian people Robby
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pHotOPuNK82 Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
LOL well said Mckay:P
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Sea-of-Ice Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Student Photographer
asians with large boobs...DONE!
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CheesySteele Featured By Owner May 14, 2012  Student Photographer
also cats and bokeh.
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IMustBeDead Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Take an artistic shot of an asian with large boobs, I'll do the same we'll see how it goes.
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Sea-of-Ice Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Student Photographer
hahaha....it would go against so much of what I believe in...i just cant!! D:
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IMustBeDead Featured By Owner May 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Fuck what you believe in.
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xxignoredxx Featured By Owner May 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
i think cosplay pictures CAN be good, it just really depends on how they take the picture. a cosplay that took a lot of time, effort and love into making and photographing should have the right to be on the front page, but only if the picture is compositionly good (such as, taken with a nicer camera and has an intended purpose VS taken with your iphone in the convention lobby).

DA does seem to focus too much on MLP and boobs though, and i wish it wasn't so. all types of artwork, not just photography, seems to get ignored for the porn and ponies.

DA makes me sad sometimes.
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MaddLouise Featured By Owner May 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I agree :(
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